Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:46:08 -0700
From: Peter S.
To: mini-list@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Removal of air from brake circuit
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I had a lightbulb (idea indicator) go off in my head after reading all
these mails about trouble bleeding brakes. First I'll start with some
rules I follow and recommend to others: (skip to bottom for idea if you
must)
- Never reuse any brake fluid. No matter how long its been sitting in a
can. Its dirty whether you can see dirt or not and loaded with tiny
bubbles. Use good quality fluid too. I prefer Castrol DOT 4.
- Always use proper brake wrenches/spanners to prevent rounding the
bleeder. These have 5 corners rather than 3 and can still get it over the
hose. Use axel stands!
- Cover the paintwork with towels and/or plastic trashbags. Brake fluid
does very nasty things to paint.
- Wrap the master cylinder with a rag. You will spill or at least over
fill then spill.
- Pour in new fluid slowly. Don't let it go gulp gulp for example. When
done, replace the bottle cap.
- On a new system, always bleed the master cylinder on its own first.
- Any hoses which appear/feel soft, or have rubber chunks missing must be
replaced. Much firmness (is that a word?) can be gained with new hoses!
- If the car is new to you but quite old and has been sitting a while,
and you're uncertain of condition, Rebuilt the lot.
- Always start bleeding at the farthest wheel and work your way back on
the same circuit.
- Use a clear 1 foot hose on the bleeder and the other end in a clear jar
with some clean fluid (keep that end under fluid level).
- Never let the master's reseviour (sp?) run too low. I don't let it get
past half cause its a nasty surprise when it sucks air!
- You must have the wheel cylinder / caliper assembled along with pads
etc. If not you'll blow the piston right out since nothing is holding it
back.
- When bleeding a wheel, have an assistant do the up-down routine. This
is, assistant sits in driver seat and yells the position of the pedal when
its changed. You open the bleeder just a 1/4 turn or so and yell "DOWN"
and assistant pushes GENTLY until it hits bottom, then holds it down and
yells "Down" to confirm position. You then close the bleeder and yell
"UP". Assistant then returns pedal to upper position and yells "UP" to
confirm position. If you each don't yell your position you'll end up
opening the bleeder at its worst moment. You might even get a face full of
fluid. Repeat this process a few times. Then check the masters reseviour
level and refill if needed. Continue on that wheel until you see clean air
free fluid coming down the clear hose into the bottle. I like to give a
couple more pushes for insurance. Expect a fair amount of up/down process
for new/was opened system.
- Follow your manuals bleeding sequence for the next wheel - usually
other back wheel.
- Keep going around the car and make sure you never run low on the
resevoir or you'll have to start the process all over.
NOTE: Some cars have more than one bleeder on a caliper (BMW at least
used to do this). You must follow the bleeding sequence on that too.
16: Once done, step on the pedal and hold it down. Does it sink? If so
its leaking somewhere. Does it hold but go down far? You need to adjust
the drums and reassess.
IDEA:
Air naturally rises. Take advantage of this by raising the item to be bled
as high as practical as compared to the master cylinder level. Got back
wheels to bleed? Raise the whole back of the car as high as is safe and
proceed. This should assist in the removal of air. Worth a try.
Peter S. (whose rebuilt and bled too many cars to remember)
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:58:43 -0700
From: Neville Rasmussen
To: mini-list@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Removal of air from brake circuit
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Peter Brown wrote:
Our current problem is bleeding the system
Buy, or better still borrow, one of those positive force brake bleeder
kits. The one I have is called an EZI-bleed and work a charm. You put the
clean brake fluid into a bottle that has a pipe going to the
master cylinder (the kit comes with a number of different caps that will
fit all types) and from the bottle a pipe goes to the spare or front
wheel type valve. This pressurises the fluid in the bottle and when you
open the bleeder valve at the wheel... Hey presto it just blasts the
fluid right through.... Magic, and you don't even need an assistant!
Most spares places should stock this thingy na dit was well worth the
cost.
Neville
'84 1275E "Jemima Puddleduck"
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